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Barack Obama is the National Security Candidate [w/ poll]

Fri Feb 02, 2007 at 10:51:24 AM PDT

WHAT I WANT TO KNOW IS... why in the world the progressive netroots community isn't fully embracing the campaign of the most charismatic, inspiring, brilliant, consistently anti-war, unifying, progressive Presidential candidate we've had in 40 years?

Of course, I've heard the objections to President Obama.  They boil down to these four:

  1. Obama is dark-skinned/funny-named and therefore unelectable.
  1. Obama's rhetoric is insufficiently partisan, so he can't be trusted to champion progressive values.
  1. Obama is too young and inexperienced to be President.
  1. Obama lacks the national security credentials to be President.

Here, I attempt to dismantle each of these objections in turn.  Most importantly, regarding (4) national security, I'd like you to consider that electing President Barack Obama could effectively "re-brand America" to the world, in one fell swoop accomplishing more for the actual security of our nation -- our cities, our families, us -- than any military or diplomatic policy we could possibly enact.

Jump!

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Objection 1) Obama is dark-skinned/funny-named and therefore unelectable.

I assert: Obama's appeal to Americans transcends race.  As with figures like Oprah Winfrey, Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan, and Colin Powell, race is not the primary driver of Obama's identity and popularity; his character and talents are.

The clever little Hussein/Osama name games have already been spent out.  They went over about as well as David Letterman's "Uma/Oprah" joke.  And as I have diaried before, lots of elected politicians have funny names.  Fox has already been humiliated for their attempt to smear him with the "Muslim" label.  Finally, as Obama becomes known to the nation over the next 21 months, the novelty factor of his name will wear off.

Yes, there are hardcore bigots who won't even give Obama a fair hearing.  But for every one of those, there are multiple good-hearted Americans who will relish the opportunity to help shatter another glass ceiling and advance the process of reconciliation between whites and blacks.

Finally, Obama's historic bid will draw out a huge number of minority voters and young voters who might not have voted otherwise.  Don't let the recent spate of "Obama Doesn't Have the Black Vote Sewn Up" stories fool you; we saw last month just how much pride the black community took at Deval Patrick's inauguration.  If he's our nominee, an historic proportion of this nation's 9 million unregistered black voters will be out in force on Election Day.

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Objection 2) Obama speaks in Republican/Liebermanesque/Christian frames, instead of articulating a politics of contrast.

I believe this objection is seriously overblown.  I've read Obama's books and heard his speeches.  He is pointed and sharp in his critique of the Bush administration.  I'm sure you'll see this in his February 10 announcement speech.  His voting record and track record are among the most progressive in our party.

Make no mistake, Barack Obama is a progressive.  His career trajectory makes that crystal clear.  After Columbia and Harvard Law, he shunned the corporate world to work with the likes of ACORN, registering inner-city voters and doing community organizing on Chicago's South Side.  Check out this 1995 profile of Obama, written during his first campaign for the Illinois Senate:

Obama, whose political vision was nurtured by his work in the 80s as an organizer in the far-south-side communities of Roseland and Altgeld Gardens, proposes a third alternative. Not new to Chicago--which is the birthplace of community organizing--but unusual in electoral politics, his proposal calls for organizing ordinary citizens into bottom-up democracies that create their own strategies, programs, and campaigns and that forge alliances with other disaffected Americans. Obama thinks elected officials--even a state senator--can play a critical catalytic role in this rebuilding....

What makes Obama different from other progressive politicians is that he doesn't just want to create and support progressive programs; he wants to mobilize the people to create their own. He wants to stand politics on its head, empowering citizens by bringing together the churches and businesses and banks, scornful grandmothers and angry young. Mostly he's running to fill a political and moral vacuum. He says he's tired of seeing the moral fervor of black folks whipped up--at the speaker's rostrum and from the pulpit--and then allowed to dissipate because there's no agenda, no concrete program for change.

This is Dean-style activism, born not of the self-interest of a Presidential campaign but out of the innate sense of justice and good government which drives our shared progressive ideals.

But second of all, why would we begrudge Obama his most powerful skill: finding ways to reframe progressive ideas, and indeed the entire debate, in a language that is attractive to self-styled moderates, religious voters, and the media?

Obama's positioning is fantastic.  While a progressive with a progressive background and a progressive record, he has nevertheless staked a solid claim to ownership of both of these memes:

  • "HOPE"
  • "UNITER, NOT A DIVIDER"

In other words, he owns both of the memes that elected our last two Presidents.

Was an article like this one ever written about Howard Dean?

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Objection 3) Obama is too young and inexperienced to be President.

Wrong.

He is plenty old enough: older than Clinton, JFK, Teddy Roosevelt, and Ulysses S Grant were when they were elected.

He has plenty of electoral experience: more years in elected office than the other two front-runners.

CandidateYears in OfficeElections Won
H. Clinton82
J. Edwards61
B. Obama125

In the Illinois State Senate, Obama served in both the majority and minority, and racked up impressive achievements on both sides.

Should Hillary's experience as First Lady count as "experience" for Presidential qualifications?  I don't think so.  Certainly, Bill Richardson runs circles around the rest of the field in terms of resume, so if experience is your primary concern, he's your candidate.  But among the current front-runners, Obama's got the longest track record in elected politics.

His life experience before entering politics is also not to be minimized.  Every Kossack should read Obama's two books -- especially Dreams From My Father, which poetically describes his diverse and inspiring personal story.

Suppose Obama goes up against long-serving Senator and certified war hero John McCain?  Won't he be laughed out of town as a "snot-nosed kid"?  No.  The most important issue in 2008 will be the Iraq War.  On this most critical issue of the decade, Obama was right and the rest of the field, Democrats and Republicans, were wrong.  Moreover, consider the historical precedents for elections that pitted "fresh" versus "experience":

  • Kennedy vs. Nixon
  • Clinton vs. Bush I

Where is the evidence that concerns over "experience" ever sunk a Presidential nominee?

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Objection 4) Obama lacks the national security credentials to be President.

As this diary's title makes clear, I believe that of all the objections to Obama's candidacy, this one is the most short-sighted, narrow-minded, and just plain wrong.  This is not only because, as mentioned above, Obama -- alone among the major candidates -- opposed the Iraq War from the start, and continues to oppose it strongly.  This is a huge plus for Obama, since it liberates him from the tongue-twisting Kerry-ish excuses for changing his mind that are already plaguing Hillary.

No, the strongest national-security case for Obama is this: electing President Barack Obama would, in one fell swoop, "re-brand America" to the world.  Barack Obama is the personal embodiment of hope -- that audacious elixir that sustains life even for people in the most desperate of circumstances.  Barack Obama, the son of an African man.  Barack Obama, the stepson of an Indonesian man.  Just imagine what it would mean to the world if America could elevate someone with this background to our highest office!

It would advertise that we are a meritocracy, after all.  That we are a truly multicultural society, after all.  That we welcome our immigrants, after all.  That we see Muslims as people, not as enemies, after all.  And that America, for people in every corner of the world, is still the shining beacon of hope.

Scroll through these Google results for a preview of how Obama will be greeted by the rest of the world.  America's leadership of the entire world would once again seem legitimate, since Barack Obama is legitimately a child of the world.

I maintain that electing President Obama would do more to actually ensure the security of our nation -- our cities, our families, us -- than any military or diplomatic policy ever could.

Terrorism is the antithesis of hope.  Born of powerlessness, terrorism from Timothy McVeigh to Dylan Kliebold to the Palestinian suicide bomber expresses the feeling that there is no way out, no way forward for a person and his values, except by random violence.

As the world embraces America again, as we come to represent hope again rather than war to the world, moderates in the Islamic world will be re-empowered to steer their culture's rhetoric toward cooperation.  Children around the world will see in us something to admire, not something to despise.  In the battle for the hearts and minds of the world that the War on Terror ought to be, Barack Obama is the strongest weapon in our national arsenal.

I will close with a personal story.  I visited the Muslim island of Zanzibar on my honeymoon in 2002.  During our week there, my new wife and I vegged happily on the gorgeous beaches and had the time of our life.  But, we did have one very unpleasant experience.  Walking on the beach, we ran into a large group of kids playing soccer who, as we passed by, demanded a handout.  When we declined, they taunted us by chanting "Osama Bin Laden", "Osama bin Laden".  We were shaken.  Later, we discussed the incident with an African friend of ours.  Our friend explained, "they don't even really know what it means, but they know the name has power over us."  Their "Osama" chant, he explained, helps them overcome "their feelings of impotence in the face of people who have no real need for them at all."

If that feeling of impotence remains for one of these children into adulthood, might they not continue to chant "Osama" and turn their anger into violence directed at our children?

Or, through the hard work and efforts of Americans like ourselves, could the result of our next election be that children around the world, when they meet an American, chant "Obama, Obama, Obama" instead?

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  •  Tips welcomed (18+ / 0-)

    Especially from Obama skeptics!

    Obama's mixed heritage: part RFK, part MLK, part Clinton, part Dean. Read more

    by jab on Fri Feb 02, 2007 at 10:49:21 AM PDT

  •  He's got to step up the fund raising (3+ / 0-)

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    Clinton is off to the races after the cash, and Obama needs a boatload to win.

    Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities.

    - Albert Einstein

    by Walt starr on Fri Feb 02, 2007 at 10:51:59 AM PDT

  •  Pie (0+ / 0-)

    I just want to no more about him and everybody in the race but I am very interested in him. I want the National Freedom candidate though. Which one is that?

    •  Get the books (1+ / 0-)

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      If you haven't already, buy his books. Dreams From My Father tells you a lot about him personally, and The Audacity of Hope tells you a lot about his politics. There's even an index in the back if you want to refer back to certain topics, like abortion or whatever.

  •  Right On (0+ / 0-)

    Ten years' experience in elective office, plus being right on Iraq, certainly ought to meet the minimum requirements for the job.

    Yes -- other candidates have more experience, but they need to demonstrate how that experience gives them better judgment than Obama.  I suspect many of them can't, especially those who voted for the Iraq War.

  •  Clark is the National Security candidate (5+ / 0-)

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    with both domestic and foreign credentials. Are Are links necessary? necessary? I like Obama, he's a great inspirational speaker, but I don't think he's there yet.

  •  Obama is a uniter not a divider. (6+ / 0-)


    That phrase always sounded stupid when the rabidly, right-wing, Oil-Industry/PNAC-klansman, George W. Bush would say this (and with his taking his direction from cut-throats Dick Cheney and Karl Rove).

    But in Barack Obama's case, it is really true. Obama has that rare, rare ability to attract Republican voters (as well as Independents) even as he is a progressive, liberal guy on policy.

    The way that he speaks and the themes and framing of issues that he uses, while indeed short on specifics, is yet very successful in a populist way and getting right-wingers to re-evaluate themselves, politics in general, and drawing them in.

    In short, Obama is a liberal who grows the pie and enlarges the Democratic voting block.

    As far as National Security goes, had the Democratic Party followed in lockstep the sentiments of Barack Obama instead of following the conventional wisdom espoused by Hillary Clinton (and Edwards), there might not have even been an Iraq War in the first place.  

    If Obama were to head the Democratic ticket, the Democrats might just win the Congress in a landslide and I think that he would win more Independents and disaffected Republicans than anyone else.  This is the key differentiating point.

    If you're like me, I don't want to see another nailbitingly close Election like 2000 and 2004.  I don't want another senario where the GOP can somehow cheat it's way into claiming a victory.  

    It is time for a blowout.  A massive Democratic landslide victory.

    This is the potential that Obama offers.



    •  I don't know that I agree (3+ / 0-)

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      with your conclusion, LiberalWithBalls, but I like the way you are thinking. Very strong, very optimistic.

      In short, Obama is a liberal who grows the pie and enlarges the Democratic voting block.

    •  I agree. (3+ / 0-)

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      Obama also attracts any voter who is fed up with politics as an "old white man's game."

      And excellent point re: downticket races. He will inspire people to get out and vote Dem all the way. Obama can also make states with large minority populations even more competitive.

      "Not just with words, but with deeds." -- Barack Obama

      by kath25 on Fri Feb 02, 2007 at 11:35:48 AM PDT

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      •  Dynamics favor Obama (2+ / 0-)

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        One concern that people have is that Obama, while rhetorically powerful, often has no real policy substance or detailed policy proposals to back it up.

        Now, this would ordinarily be something to be very concerned about if you were dealing with a right-wing guy masquarading as "moderate" or a cyncial, bow-down-to-the-powers, DLC-figurehead like Joe Lieberman.  

        In the case of Obama, however, this is not only not an important concern (we know he's a liberal, anti-War, etc.) but actually an advantage.  Obama speaks out to the failure and corrupt mechanics of the political system itself as part of a very unifying populist message.  As he does this, he also has a unique charisma, articulation skills, and a charm that makes him a vote-getting magnet outside "the base".

        I am therefore not worried about the lack of policies or policy knowledge.   There are plenty of policy-wonks within the Democratic Party establishment that Obama can tap into once he becomes President to help craft and design meaningful public policy.  In fact, the only true policy wonks that exist are within the Democratic domain.  All of these right-wing, Corporate think-tanks have nothing to do with true public policy and far more to do with cyncially marketing nefarious policies designed only to benefit and enrich special interests and consolidate wealth and power.

        So, we can relax about policy with Obama.

        Let us instead focus on just the winning itself.
        Barack Obama has the "right stuff" to win the General Election and win over a large number of Independents and even disaffect Republicans.  He can turn out minorities in bigger numbers than ever before and also get people who are too cynical to even bother to vote to maybe show up this time and cast a ballot.  

        I think Obama can be a transformative figure and all he needs to make that happen are a few good policy wonks behind him to realize that potential and achieve lasting success.

        Fortunately, there is no shortage of policy-wonks to tap within the Democratic Party infrastructure.

        Obama:  The front-man for a new FDR-like transformation!



  •  and he's clean and articulate... (6+ / 0-)

    /biden off

    "Cynicism is a sorry kind of wisdom" - Barack Obama

    by pacified on Fri Feb 02, 2007 at 11:04:17 AM PDT

  •  AMEN! Excellent dairy! (1+ / 0-)

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    As soon as I stop worrying, worrying how the story ends, I let go and I let God, let God have His way. "It's the soldier, not.."

    by Lady Bird Johnson on Fri Feb 02, 2007 at 11:13:42 AM PDT

  •  Agreed 100% (2+ / 0-)

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    and I do think that most Americans are smart enough to understand this, and the ones who aren't savvy to global politics wouldn't be voting blue anyway.

  •  Key Issue (3+ / 0-)

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    Obama's historic bid will draw out a huge number of minority voters and young voters who might not have voted otherwise.

    I can personally testify to this. In 2004 I lived in Chicago and did voter registration for the election. I went to subway platforms in minority neighborhoods -- "bad" neighborhoods, so to speak. I had an easy time registering voters. Particularly, young male minority voters were eager to sign up to vote for Obama.

    Also, living near one of the largest universities in the country, I hear a LOT of people talking about Obama. Young people love him. They are excited. Sometimes I engage them in conversation, and they're all busily refuting the various MSM talking points against Obama. It's exciting.

    The Democrats traditionally don't do too well with white male voters. Obama will bring in so many new voters, it will vastly counteract the bigots who refuse to vote for him.

    "Not just with words, but with deeds." -- Barack Obama

    by kath25 on Fri Feb 02, 2007 at 11:29:01 AM PDT

  •  Why is it Obama supporters (1+ / 0-)

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    overlook Obama's neglect of both the LGBT and the Mexican-American communities?

    Obama thinks that heterosexuals have a unique right to marry that may be denied to the LGBT community.

    Obama supported that ridiculous 700 mile boondoggle of a fence they plan to build along the Mexican-American border.

    There is little difference between DLC triangualtion on LGBT issues and Obama's song and dance on the same issues.

    So I guess if Obama is the answer then the progressive community no longer cares about it's LGBT allies any longer?

    "My name's Dr. Multimillionaire and I kicked your ass." --Rep. Steve Kagen D-WI to Karl Rove

    by walja on Fri Feb 02, 2007 at 11:38:52 AM PDT

    •  i'm queer AND an obama supporter (2+ / 0-)

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      i think he is as supportive for BGLT rights as any other elected official who can also be elected for president in 2008.  i'm never happy with their not-quite-full support, but i recognize that my issue is one of many (to me, Obama, and the world).

      It's like watching an unknown winning a boxing match vs. the world champ and asking him halfway why he didn't knock his opponent out in the first round.

      by bsmcneil on Fri Feb 02, 2007 at 11:43:52 AM PDT

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      •  But why settle for half a loaf? (0+ / 0-)

        I don't hate Obama.  If he wins the nomination I will gladly vote for him in November.

        But given Constitutional Amendments are being written to codify discrimination for all time it behooves the LBGT community to back whomever shows the most interest in our issues.

        The exploding sex scandal in San Fransisco takes some of the zing out of this but it was reported prior to the Newsome sex scandal that Obama refused to even be photographed with Mayor Gavin Newsome over fear of being linked to the marriage issue.

        He is timid, he is not a leader, when it comes to civil rights issues.

        We can do better than Obama in 2008.  Don't sell yourself short there bsmcneil.

        "My name's Dr. Multimillionaire and I kicked your ass." --Rep. Steve Kagen D-WI to Karl Rove

        by walja on Fri Feb 02, 2007 at 01:09:12 PM PDT

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        •  actually (2+ / 0-)

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          it wasn't reported that Obama wouldn't meet with him but it was rumored.  be sure to back those things up with facts.  (additionally, maybe this is one of the reasons whichever candidate it was wouldn't be seen with Newsom)

          also, i'd be quick to point out his HRC score (an organization that could be doing more, imho, for trans folk).  it's the highest of any candidate who's announced.  he's favorably seen by many gays, lesbians, bisexuals and trans folk.

          finally...while i'm sure you mean civil rights issues in relation to glbt folk...i really can't see who you are to question his leadership when it comes to civil rights as a whole.  i don't know the man, have never met the man, and am biased as i support his run - but i can guarantee you he's not "timid" and that he is a "leader".

          It's like watching an unknown winning a boxing match vs. the world champ and asking him halfway why he didn't knock his opponent out in the first round.

          by bsmcneil on Fri Feb 02, 2007 at 01:15:34 PM PDT

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          •  two quick edits (0+ / 0-)

            HRC=human rights campaign and not hillary rodham clinton...

            and, "(additionally, maybe this is one of the reasons whichever candidate it was wouldn't be seen with Newsom)" refers to the admitted affair.

            It's like watching an unknown winning a boxing match vs. the world champ and asking him halfway why he didn't knock his opponent out in the first round.

            by bsmcneil on Fri Feb 02, 2007 at 01:16:52 PM PDT

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          •  what LGBT leaders has Obama (0+ / 0-)

            been photographed with then?  What LGBT groups has Obama sought out like he did Evangelicals and Rev. Rick Warren recently with Sam Brownback nodding approvingly at Barack's side?

            Obama strikes me as indifferent to the LGBT community and embarassed by our issues. To me his political instincts say to support us but his heart tells him not to. I know that there is a very telling line in his Audacity of Hope book that should dump cold water on your Obama fever.  It was also referred to in the Rev. Irene Adler's The Advocate column an issue or so ago in her reaction to the Obama Civil Rights record.

            "My name's Dr. Multimillionaire and I kicked your ass." --Rep. Steve Kagen D-WI to Karl Rove

            by walja on Fri Feb 02, 2007 at 01:43:42 PM PDT

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            •  again (0+ / 0-)

              i don't know who he's been photographed with (at all).  i know he's been on oprah.  that's it.  i really don't care about photographs (and if you think that's the measure of influence and compassion on a subject, then you're wrong).

              i also don't care for cryptic "there's a line in a book."  tell me the line, if you know it.  if you don't, then move on.

              senator obama is about more than LGBT rights but i don't feel that he'd leave them behind, given the chance.  is he the poster boy for same-sex relationship equality?  no.  and i don't mind that.  again, my world view is about more than being queer.

              It's like watching an unknown winning a boxing match vs. the world champ and asking him halfway why he didn't knock his opponent out in the first round.

              by bsmcneil on Fri Feb 02, 2007 at 01:47:11 PM PDT

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            •  also (0+ / 0-)

              did Obama seek out rick warren?  i don't think so.  and, if he's increasing awareness and information (and funds, compassion, etc) about AIDS, does that not do a lot to help many glbt folks living with HIV?  what about better (or any) access to health care which prohibits many folks from regular screenings, taking care of themselves, etc.  

              It's like watching an unknown winning a boxing match vs. the world champ and asking him halfway why he didn't knock his opponent out in the first round.

              by bsmcneil on Fri Feb 02, 2007 at 01:53:41 PM PDT

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          •  no Obama is also weak on issues of import to (0+ / 0-)

            Mexican Americans as well. Obama voted for the 700 mile boondoggle of a fence that they want to build along the US-Mexican border.

            In fact, from what I see early on Obama is a white, urban, progressive, upper-middle class phenomenon.  Al Shapton does not know Obama and says he leans toward Edwards based on his two-Americas economic agneda.  Jesse Jackson who also hails from Illinois barely knows Obama, though I did read he expects to endorse him for President.

            I would vote Obama over Hillary, don't mistake my unease with him as outright opposition to him.  But thus far he has not been even close to the best on the issues.

            The quotation from Audacity of Hope is there I assure you.  Irene Adler also refers to it, read her column and you will read the quotation to which I refer.  Given the editorial is about Obama from a LGBT perspective published in The Advocate I am hardly directing you toward suspect sources.  But it's there I did look it up.  It likely is in the index under gay marriage, if Audacity of Hope is indexed.

            "My name's Dr. Multimillionaire and I kicked your ass." --Rep. Steve Kagen D-WI to Karl Rove

            by walja on Fri Feb 02, 2007 at 02:27:31 PM PDT

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  •  Not sold on Obama yet (0+ / 0-)

    A couple of thoughts.

    Should Hillary's experience as First Lady count as "experience" for Presidential qualifications?  I don't think so.

    Actually, yes it should. As First Lady she's had opportunities that Barack Obama hasn't had: she's been able to observe the presidency from a vantage point he doesn't have and her travels abroad would, I hope, inform her foreign policy stand although it doesn't look that way.

    Obama's got the longest track record in elected politics.

    Perhaps, but at this point if I were living in Illinois I might be wondering just how serious he was about being a US Senator--3/4 through a first term and he thinks he's ready to be president? (Note: I can say the same about John Edwards in 2004.)

    Obama -- alone among the major candidates -- opposed the Iraq War from the start, and continues to oppose it strongly.

    This begs the question "So what?"  First, he opposed the war as a state legislator so it really didn't matter, except to his constituents.  Second, he pulled that speech off his website when he ran for the US Senate.  If he was that committed to a position against the war, why distance yourself from it?

    My hesitiation about Obama as a viable candidate:

    1. Back in October, Frank Rich wrote a column about the hope being projected onto Barack Obama as the next Democratic presidential candidate: "The question is whether Mr. Obama will stick up for core principles when tested and get others to follow him."  I honestly do not get the sense that he will.  

    Rich: What makes the liberal establishment's crush on Mr. Obama disconcerting is that it too often sees him as a love child of a pollster's focus group: a one-man Benetton ad who can be all things to all people....

    1. I refuse to actively support a candidate who runs against the party.  Last time I checked, Sen. Obama had a D next to his name yet he seems too willing to criticize Democrats, as in his keynote address to the Call for Renewal conference last year.  

    In December, he told the New Hampshire Union Leader that if he runs, he'll defy the Democratic National Committee and campaign in New Hampshire even if state party leaders buck the DNC and move up their primary ahead of the date the DNC wants. BUT he also told the paper that he supports the DNC's decision to move the Nevada caucus up in front of the New Hampshire contest — though he fudged his position by declaring that he nevertheless is "a strong believer" in the tradition of New Hampshire being the first primary.  Well, which is it?

    1. Harper's published a story about Obama's less well-known corporate ties.  While these ties aren't sufficient to tag Obama "a corporate mouthpiece" I think he's been friendlier to the corporate elite than people realize or like to admit.
    1.  The hype surrounding Obama is largely driven by the media and I don't think the media should be deciding the outcome more than a year in advance.  (I don't like the media's pronouncements about Hillary, either.)

    There's still plenty of time to get behind a candidate but we're getting ahead of ourselves.

    Liberal: "I still think it's a respectable word. Its root is "liber," the Latin word for "free," and isn't that what we are all about?"--Mary McGrory

    by mini mum on Fri Feb 02, 2007 at 11:40:16 AM PDT

    •  some valid points, some not so valid (0+ / 0-)

      I agree Hillary's experience as First Lady is worth something.  It also is a negative for many voters, though.  "Who elected her and gave her the right to..." was something I heard a lot of in the 90s.

      Re Frank Rich's concern:  well, he took a strong stand on ending the Iraq war this week; does this count for something?   He has been outspoken on climate change, and made a universal health care in 4 years a priority; does this count?  I agree that we'll learn more over the course of the campaign about how far he'll go in charting a progressive policy agenda.  But the signs so far are excellent.

      Too willing to criticize Democrats?  That sure wasn't the feeling I got when I saw him stumping for Sheldon Whitehouse - twice - last fall.  He was one of our party's hardest-working campaigners in the run-up to our great 2006 victory.

      Re the hype being media-driven:  partly, yes, but you have to admit it's partly about his honest to goodness star power.

      Read Dreams From My Father, then tell me again if you think he's been overhyped.

      Obama's mixed heritage: part RFK, part MLK, part Clinton, part Dean. Read more

      by jab on Fri Feb 02, 2007 at 11:47:49 AM PDT

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      •  In response (0+ / 0-)

        "Who elected her and gave her the right to..." was something I heard a lot of in the 90s.

        I was hearing that from people who wouldn't have voted for Bill Clinton anyway.

        well, he took a strong stand on ending the Iraq war this week; does this count for something?

         

        Introducing legislation is one thing; getting it passed is entirely another.  In June 2006, he said that a date-certain withdrawal was not "responsible."  So why now, and not two weeks ago? Why wait until the week before he formally announces a presidential bid to introduce his most significant piece of Senate legislation to date?  It's not passing the smell test with me.

        made a universal health care in 4 years a priority; does this count?

        You can make an important incremental step in just 2 years by expanding Medicare to cover everyone under the age of 25.  Why wait 4 when you can get started now?

        He was one of our party's hardest-working campaigners in the run-up to our great 2006 victory.

        Then maybe he'd be better off fundraising for the party than running for president.  But I still think he's too willing to run against the Party when it suits him.

        it's partly about his honest to goodness star power.

        Jim Webb has star power too.  But you don't hear me talking about drafting him for 2008.  The bottom line is we can't have all our star power running for president.  We need leaders in the House and Senate too.

        Liberal: "I still think it's a respectable word. Its root is "liber," the Latin word for "free," and isn't that what we are all about?"--Mary McGrory

        by mini mum on Fri Feb 02, 2007 at 12:12:41 PM PDT

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    •  No excuses (1+ / 0-)

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      There's no excuse for anyone who supported the war. Those who recognize that they have no excuse can be forgiven, but no one - especially in this community - should ever apologize for them.

      I can't buy "we were tricked."
      I can't buy "we trusted the President."
      I can't buy "we didn't vote to go to war."
      And I absolutely cannot buy that the opinion of anyone outside of the United States Congress in 2002 mattered. That's bullshit. Obama was right. Don't tell me it was "easy" for him to oppose the war because he wasn't in federal office.

      I was a seventeen year-old high school student and I saw right through the bullshit. I, along with most everyone here, a great number at anti-war protests across the country (including Obama), 23 United States Senators, and 133 U.S. Congressmen, showed better judgment than Edwards, Clinton, Dodd, or Biden on the central issue of our time. That is not a minor concern. They are seeking the Presidency of the United States, and they have shown remarkably poor judgment.

      If we are forced to nominate someone who voted for the war, at least it should be someone who recognizes what a colossal mistake it was to do so. But Obama is not hindered by the specter of a huge lapse in judgment. That is a major plus for him, and not one that can be easily dismissed.  

      •  Sure I can (0+ / 0-)

        Don't tell me it was "easy" for him to oppose the war because he wasn't in federal office.

        Sure I can say it was easy for him.  As a state legislator he had about as much impact on opposing the war in 2002 as you and I did.  Which is, to say, not much.

        Now he's in federal office.  What exactly has he done--besides introduce a bill one week ago--to get us out?

        Here's a speech he gave in November 2005.  Has he taken the lead on any of this?

        We need to know whether the Iraqis are making the compromises necessary to achieve the broad-based and sustainable political settlement essential for defeating the insurgency.

        We need to know how many Iraqi security forces and police and the level of skill they will require to permit them to take the lead in counter-insurgency operations, the defense of Iraq's territory, and maintaining law and order throughout the country.

        We need to get accurate information regarding how many Iraqi troops are currently prepared for the transition of security responsibilities, and a realistic assessment of the U.S. resources and time it will take to make them more prepared.

        And, we need to know the Administration's strategy to restore basic services, strengthen the capacities of ministries throughout the country, and enlist local, regional, and international actors in finding solutions to political, economic, and security problems.

        This jumped out at me in particular:

        we need not a time-table, in the sense of a precise date for U.S. troop pull-outs, but a time-frame for such a phased withdrawal.  

        What is the difference between a "time-table" and a "time-frame"?  He sure knows how to split the semantic hair.

        Or this?

        "Iraq was a major issue in last year's election. But that election is now over. We need to stop the campaign."

        And this?

        Americans want a "pragmatic solution to the real war we're facing in Iraq."

        He was happy to criticize Murtha's bill but didn't put forth much of his own.

        Read this speech and realize that his bottom line for Bush to admit his errors.  He maintained that Bush could take politics out of the Iraq discussion "once and for all if he would simply go on television and say to the American people: 'Yes, we made mistakes. Yes, there are things I would have done differently. But now that I'm here, I'm willing to work with both Republicans and Democrats to find the most responsible way out.' "  And what did he do when that didn't happen?

        What you fail to realize is that I'm holding Barack Obama accountable the same way I hold every other politician accountable.  And as far as I can tell, he hasn't acquitted himself very well.

        Liberal: "I still think it's a respectable word. Its root is "liber," the Latin word for "free," and isn't that what we are all about?"--Mary McGrory

        by mini mum on Sat Feb 03, 2007 at 12:51:10 PM PDT

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  •  One reason the netroots' full embrace isn't there (0+ / 0-)

    is that many of us hold onto hope that Gore will jump in the race.

    Don't get me wrong. I'm a Chicagoan and I love Barack.  But the only thing that would make me happier than voting for him is to nominate Gore with Barack as VP.

    •  in that case, I wish Gore would make up his mind (0+ / 0-)

      Because no one will be able to stop the Hillary juggernaut unless there's a unified grassroots groundswell on behalf of someone else.

      Obama's mixed heritage: part RFK, part MLK, part Clinton, part Dean. Read more

      by jab on Fri Feb 02, 2007 at 11:58:44 AM PDT

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      •  Could be that Gore is counting on Barack (0+ / 0-)

        to take the same approach in 2007 that he did in the 2004 Illinois primary.  If you'll pardon the awkward analogy, I call it the "Joe Stalin" strategy.  Put up little resistance until your better financed, better organized opponent overextends him/herself (shades of Blair Hull).  Then counterattack with everything you've been holding back.  

        There's a good chance Clinton, Edwards and Obama will be in a three-way dead heat by late 2007. I don't see Hillary or JE self-destructing the way Hull and Ryan did in '04, but I don't see any of the three of them running away with this thing, either.

      •  Gore disbanded his committees in 2006 (0+ / 0-)

        He's not running.

  •  Committed to Clark, but Open to Obama (2+ / 0-)

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    I remain committed to Wes Clark until he declares whether or not he's running because I honestly believe he has the ability and experience to help heal our reputation around the world following the long Bush nightmare.  But because he hasn't declared, I'm taking a close look at the other contenders.  Obama is definitely on my "would consider supporting list" (and  I think he'd be an ideal Veep for Clark too).  Your words regarding how the world would view the U.S. electing Obama is a compelling argument, I'll admit.  I have doubts about Obama regarding national security credentials, though.  That's why I'd much rather see him be the Veep nominee, because that would earn him the national security credentials to be a fully credible presidential candidate in the future.  But the situation in the world is so dire right now I believe only someone with Clark's successful history of international diplomacy and ending genocide should be trusted to repair the horrible damage done to our nation's reputation around the world.  I don't know if even Clark can fix it; I just know there's a better shot with him than any other candidate running.  But if Obama does wind up being the nominee, I'll definitely vote for him in the general.

    Get out of the dark with Clark!

    by YestoWes on Fri Feb 02, 2007 at 01:01:40 PM PDT

  •  His Name: Wrote a diary, only half in jest (0+ / 0-)

    that can be found here.  If we sadly gauge how Americans make decisions based on brand name, Barak Hussein Obama, may take too great a toll.

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